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6:01 pm November 22, 2011
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Post edited 8:06 am – November 23, 2011 by gary.gorr.5
Be interested in hearing your opinions on this topic.
I think there is a going to be a lot investors hurt in the next protracted bear market, what say you?
http://gbgorr.wordpress.com/20…..r-failure/
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12:24 pm November 23, 2011
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I agree that very people have the right stuff to be DIYers. I used to participate in a very well known DIY forum and even the experts there admitted that maybe 1% of people have the knowledge, skills and discipline to be successful DIYers. Gary is correct when he says that having a coach is very important. I would go so far as to say that having a coach is priceless. All the investment smarts in the world are useless if you panic and make bad choices when markets go south. And the value of having a coach that has the skills to go way beyond the relatively simple topic of investments and guide their client through the maze of tax, estate, cash flow and insurance planning is beyond priceless. Having a planner with those skills as well as fully qualified legal and accounting expertise to draw from for more high level scenarios like complicated estate settlement, pension, benefit and severance options, divorce and international tax on retainer makes the cost of dealing with a planner insignificant.
P.S. Gary calls himself a "behaviorial investment advisor ". I don't know what to make of that classification but it sounds pretty pretentious for someone with just an insurance license and a ChFC which I'm sure doesn't qualify him as a human behavioral – or “behavioural” as we spell it in Canada – expert expounding on psychological aspects of investing.
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7:46 am November 25, 2011
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Post edited 7:48 am – November 25, 2011 by gary.gorr.5
Well smelly for most of your post I was happy until I came to the end. Your PS was interesting so let me respond.
I am licenced for insurance and for mutual funds. The behaviorial aspect means that I apply behaviorial finance principles in the advise I give to clients.
Am I an expert, no, but I venture to say that in the last 12 months I have read more articles, books, about behaviorial finance from scholars, pyschologists and others than most readers of this forum.
I believe the new advisor of today and tomorrow must move beyond the classical training and advice we have always offered.
In fact I am writing for Advisor.Ca and Advisors Edge report on the topic as they have recognized the need forpeople to overcome the behaviorial gap. Here is an article I recently wrote.
I have collected a lot of research and posted it on my facebook page.
Perhaps you will find some helpful stuff there too.
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9:59 am November 28, 2011
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When you lead with the statement that you are a "behaviorial investment advisor", in your "About Gary" page in bold, italics and bigger font, it implies you're a qualified expert. I can guarantee you that if you were governed by an IIROC dealer instead of the less stringently governed insurance industry, you'd never be allowed to use that wording on a website or anywhere else without some heavy duty credentials. Saying you read a lot and that Advisor.ca thinks you're an expert wouldn't cut it.
But I do agree it's an important topic and advisors ignore research by Areily, Kahneman, Thaler, Statman, etc. at their own (and their client's) risk. It's a central aspect of knowing your client.
* still don't like your spelling of “behaviorial” but that's another topic.
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6:20 pm December 7, 2011
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So what would you consider an appropriate qualification, smelly? I simply call myself a CFP, but I think the behavioural principles are important…and I have a BA in Psychology and a Minor in Economics. Would that count? Or should I have an MA and be a Registered Psychologist as well?
I'm genuinely curious, because I believe that increased regulations are coming to all areas of the financial industry, especially what we call ourselves. What does IIROC require of you to call yourself an expert in any one field? It's not my platform, so I don't know.
These days, it pays to be very careful.
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11:29 am December 8, 2011
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Personally I wouldn't use any references about anything to do with investor psychology in any of my marketing material that a client or prospect would see. If the relationship was reversed, it would make me feel very uncomfortable thinking my advisor (or lawyer, mechanic or plumber) was psycho-analysing every maneriszm I display or word that comes out of my mouth. I don't see how this would enhance my relationship with the client.
But that's just me. Maybe a marketing expert would have a different opinion. So I would proudly display any designations like CPF and University degrees but that's where I'd draw the line.
But it doesn't really matter what I think. I'm on an IIROC platform and they have rules and my dealer interprets those rules. And I know for a fact that I can display my CFP designation because I proved I have it, I can call myself a Senior Finiancial Planner because that's a designation that's approved by IIROC and if I had any degrees I could display them with the dealer's approval. As far as any special skills like those discussed here, I've never tested it but I'm very sure my compliance departement would not allow it.
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2:19 pm December 8, 2011
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Good to know. And good point. I don't talk about those principles in my marketing or anywhere else, but it is good to be aware of them. I think you are right, it probably would make clients a little uncomfortable.
Even my BA in Psych leads to a number of questions about how applicable my degree is in what we do.
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