Sucheta Rajagopal, LL.B, CIM, FCSI, CFP Investment Advisor & Associate Portfolio Manager, Private Client Group, Hampton Securities, Toronto
- Jerry and Judy, a couple in their 50s with grown children.
- Their ideas about investing are at opposite ends of the risk spectrum.
- Judy likes to trade and is very risk-oriented; Jerry’s conservative and prefers bonds.
Says Rajagopal, “Judy’s happy if I say ‘Let’s buy Kinross today at 15 and we’ll sell at 17.’ She has more stocks [in her portfolio]. She’s got some blue chips, but has a much higher proportion of smaller caps.” Jerry prefers the buy-and-hold approach with his blue-chip stocks. “He loves [that] these are stocks you can pass on to your children and grandchildren.”
Rajagopal has always treated Jerry and Judy as separate clients, with separate accounts. “They came to me together, but when we started discussing risk tolerance,” they revealed their divergent points of view.
Rajagopal calls them separately. “I treat them as if they weren’t married. It’s not that I don’t think they will talk to each other; it’s that I think their reactions might be different. I need to get those reactions separately, because that will impact the account.”
The couple is financially comfortable, which helps make their unusual advice situation work. They do make some financial decisions together, such as how much to contribute to their RRSPs, save and set aside for things like home renovations. “They don’t run their bank accounts separately,” says Rajagopal, but have no joint investment accounts, either.
“If these clients aren’t talking to each other and the one taking more risk is losing money, you might have an issue. These guys have a solid marriage and they’ve been with me for 10 years, so they’re both aware of their [financial] situation,” says Rajagopal.
Rajagopal has two other sets of clients with conflicting risk tolerances who prefer separate accounts. Much more challenging are those whose spouses have different attitudes towards money management. In one case, a female client who’s always been a good saver entered a relationship with a spender. Result—a couple in debt. The husband isn’t her client.
“He ran up a chunk of debt without her knowing. So when they started to think about retirement, which she wants to do in a year, and he laid everything out, it was a big shock.”
At her client’s request, Rajagopal is meeting with the husband and attempting to get him to commit to paying off the debt by a certain date. “She feels he will listen to me, while he dismisses her concerns as [too] emotional,” she says. “But you can’t antagonize anyone or they’ll stop listening to you. So it becomes my role to find a compromise—I end up being a marriage counsellor.”